Meet the Mandingos
They're gentlemen in the street, thugs in the bedroom, and your wife's steamiest fantasy. Read the article and then post your comments below.
-By Sanjiv Bhattacharya
-Photograph by Dana Lixenberg
Jeff didn't always like black guys. He was prejudiced—he admits it. As one of the few white kids at his school in the southeast of Washington, D.C., he fought a lot with black kids and was occasionally beaten up. When he later ran a string of gas stations, he was robbed: A black guy held a gun to his head and pulled the trigger—but the gun didn't go off.
"Honestly, that experience helped me a lot," he says. "I used to be very conservative. I didn't spend much money. Now I enjoy life. I'm much more open. Especially sexually."
It's a measure of how far he's come that Jeff (not his real name), now 40, is telling me this while we're watching a black guy have sex with his wife, Amber (not her real name), 37, at an interracial orgy. In Jeff's house. On his bed. The man screwing Jeff's wife is Branford (not his real name), a 30-year-old massage therapist who's not holding back—this isn't lovemaking, this is a proper pounding. Forget Amber—that's just how Jeff likes it.
In some ways, Jeff hasn't changed at all—he's the same football jock with small eyes, a wide head, and a big man's shyness; he's still a staunch Republican with a firm handshake and a solid golf game. But after surviving the holdup and two failed marriages, he set off in search of a new life. He moved from D.C. to Clearwater, Florida, where he sells mortgages, not gas. He bought a $700,000 home on a fairway of a country club, where he's yet to see a single black member. And he met Amber, a divorcée with a sag of victimhood on her face. Jeff and Amber have been married for three years and in "the lifestyle"—as swingers like to call it—for two. At one point Amber started talking about black guys. "I wasn't thrilled," says Jeff. "Nope, wasn't a fan." But she persisted, and he decided to go along. "I like seeing Amber get off," he says with a shrug. "It excites the hell out of me. And it's better if they're black. All Amber wants is sex. Black guys get that. And I know that Amber would never date a black man."
Jeff's casual bigotry aside, tonight's orgy is fairly typical. Amber's two boys, 11 and 13, have been shipped off to their grandparents' house, and their rooms have been suitably modified—the posters are off the walls, the clothes have been put away, and the lightbulbs have been changed to red. By 8 p.m., the incense is lit, the Jacuzzi's bubbling, and the DJ is spinning Sean Paul and Jay-Z by the swimming pool. Within an hour or so, the guests—23 white couples and 3 black couples—have arrived, all of them here specifically to have sex with single black men often a decade or two their junior. There are 12 such men in the house tonight. They call themselves Mandingos. And this is a Mandingo party.
In the wake of the Hurricane Katrina fiasco and the killing of Sean Bell, an unarmed black man, by police officers in New York last November, America's relationship with race—notwithstanding the enthusiasm surrounding Barack Obama's bid for the presidency—remains troubled. For the Mandingos, meanwhile, the parties continue. The man who arranged tonight's event, Art Hammer (a name he uses solely for Mandingo parties), started the Florida Mandingo group four years ago, just after his divorce. An enterprising 42-year-old black swinger from Tampa Bay, he has since become the go-to guy when it comes to organizing gang bangs and orgies for couples—the vast majority of whom are white—with a fetish for black men. So it was Hammer who sent the Evites for this "pajamas and lingerie" party and secured the attendance of the guests; it was also Hammer who booked the DJ, paid for the finger food, and brought the "courtesy condoms." Amber and Jeff just had to open their home. An advertising-sales guy by day, Hammer has done a bang-up job of marketing the Mandingos among the swinger set. The name Mandingo comes from Mandinka, a West African tribe that, in the antebellum South, was prized and bred for strength and virility. (Not that Hammer necessarily has Mandinka roots; he has no idea—"I'm Art Hammer," he says. "Not Art Haley.") Mandingo is now a byword for black male sexual prowess. When Hammer established the Florida Mandingos, two other (unaffiliated) groups—the So Cal Mandingos and the NYC Mandingos—were already up and running. Today new groups keep sprouting—in Atlanta, Chicago, Oakland—but Hammer's is the most prominent, the only Mandingo group invited to host a "Chocolate Fantasy Suite" at N'awlins in November, the second-biggest swinger convention in the country.
"The fantasy goes both ways," he explains. "The women get to fuck our guys while their husbands watch, and we get to fuck rich white women, really mutt 'em out. It works! But people in this lifestyle are affluent—I'm talking judges, CEOs, FBI agents, important people—so before they invite a bunch of black men into their homes, they want to know they're safe, they're not going to get robbed, and everyone is discreet. So that's what I provide—a gentleman in the street and a thug in the bedroom."
Hammer's "A-team" comprises 20 of the more than 100 single black men on his books; many of them are here tonight. "They have to have at least eight inches, and most have a college degree. They have to be able to role-play, and most important of all, they have to be gentlemen. It's the difference between Notre Dame, where you're a student-athlete, and the University of Oklahoma, where you're an athlete-student. We don't just take jocks."
Hammer is a model Mandingo, if a little old. Chipper and Ivy League-educated, he was raised on Long Island and served with the Special Forces. Almost half of the Mandingos at the party are ex-military men. There's also an accountant, an engineer, and a software developer, all in their early thirties. The youngest, Charles (not his real name), is 25 and a second-year law student. While they all uphold a strict standard of behavior, their individual opinions of these parties vary widely. Oddly, the crassest among them is the oldest, John, 47 (ex-Air Force, now a software salesman). Ever since his divorce went through in 2003, after some 20 years of marriage, he has been relishing his opportunity to "sling dick" without any responsibility. "Couples, for me, are perfect," he says. "There's no girlfriend-boyfriend shit. You keep her when I'm done—thank you very much. No valentines, no birthday. I'm a pig."
By contrast, Jared (not his real name), 36 (a car and pet-cleaning-equipment salesman who's in the Army Reserve), likes to write poetry and refrains from using words like pussy and fuck. He describes interracial orgies as a "heightening experience," proof that prejudice may be on the wane. "I find the yin and yang of the two colors mixing very erotic," he says. "I believe the world is looking beyond color now more than ever. And people are getting more attractive. Sexier people are having more babies. Look around!"
It's not clear where Jared is looking. These women resemble Kathy Bates more than they do Kathy Ireland. As they hover around the snacks on the kitchen island, the Mandingos mill among them in silk pajamas. And almost instantly, while the women's mild-mannered husbands chat about real estate and the PGA, the games begin. Hands rove from chicken wings to breasts, from chips to hips, from guac to cock. One couple grind by the sink and feed each other meatballs. Husbands and wives start slinking off with their chosen Mandingos. The party has begun its carnal ebb and flow, between nookie in the bedrooms and foreplay in the kitchen.
Hammer himself won't have sex tonight out of principle—the swinger equivalent of "don't get high on your own supply." He's the host here and a diligent one, always circulating and making introductions—he's the one who knows everyone's sexual predilections. Meanwhile, Jeff will manage to squeeze in two brief blow jobs before the night is over. The rest of the time he seems to be cleaning up empties and replacing trash bags. He's an obsessively tidy man—"my OCD husband," Amber calls him affectionately.
"No one's having sex on the sofas," he says, looking pleased. "I left the throw cushions on to encourage people to use the bedrooms—a little something I learned at the last party. Especially because we've got a couple of squirters here tonight. You don't want that on the microfiber. Not good."
Watching the Mandingos in action, one immediately notices two things: that most of them are packing more than eight inches, and that they're better-looking than the women they're pleasuring. Jared, for instance, is a chiseled and muscular six feet, probably the best-looking of the men. His first encounter is a ménage à trois with Maryam (not her real name), a pudding of cellulite, and her chiropractor husband, Rick (not his real name), who's all back fuzz and belly. Rick adopts a lavatorial squat near Maryam's face and thrusts his penis at her. Jared's presence seems like an act of charity, not that he'd say so himself. "No, no, there was attraction," he insists. "They're very nice, polite people. It's an inner attraction."
"Listen, black guys like bigger women because they can tear it up," says Branford, the masseur who had sex with Amber earlier in the evening. "They might look like librarians, but look at them go from room to room, taking double-digit dicks all night. It's awesome." In comparison, he finds that younger, hotter girls are scarcely worth the effort. "They think lightning shoots out of their pussy—'Oh, you want sex, what are you going to give me?' Here you get the soccer mom who's like, 'I just want you to fuck the living shit out of me.' That alone is hot."
Branford is an evangelist for the Mandingos. At the last 70 or so parties, he's brought his table and given free massages. "I make great contacts here," he says. "This gets my name out there; that's why I don't charge." The way he sees it, interracial orgies are the new golf—a way to interact with rich folks. Charles, the law student, also sees the benefits. "When you network with someone, it's because you have something in common. Whether it's golf or tennis or . . . .interracial sex," he says. "I haven't used it to my advantage, but I'm not opposed—I've definitely had sex with lawyers in the past."
According to Charles, both black and white friends he has told are usually intrigued, even impressed, by the Mandingo party scene. Shelby (not his real name), Jared's ripped 29-year-old cousin (ex-Navy, now a firefighter), tells me that those who are repulsed tend to be for sexual rather than racial reasons—men by the thought of having sex around other men, women by the wanton promiscuity. This isn't to say that they chatter about it at the watercooler—most of the Mandingos keep their weekend activities a secret from their co-workers.
But the Mandingos themselves have their own issues with the lifestyle. For example, there's seldom kissing or going down. It's a rule for some—Jared won't kiss or come unless he's with someone "special." Of course, the no-kissing rule is a prostitute's code. Not that the Mandingos get paid for sex—it's against the rules. Each guest at Hammer's parties pays an annual membership—couples pay $30 and Mandingos $75. Everyone pays an additional fee of $30 for each party.
But occasionally the rules are bent. Some Mandingos confessed to receiving tips of $100 and more after private sessions with couples at last year's N'awlins in November swinger convention. Others brag about the vacations they've been taken on. "I've been to Vegas twice, all expenses paid," says John, the software salesman. "The Bahamas, Miami. One couple took me twice. After a while, you feel like a piece of meat. But hey, they're not using me to mow their damn lawn. They're using me to fuck the wife."
Jared, too, for all his idealism, has felt used in the past. Once, when he was with a couple from Sarasota, the husband directed all the action and the woman didn't say a word. "I felt like I was just—excuse my language—'a dick' for his wife," he says. Unfortunately, a similar thing happens tonight—a heavily medicated husband starts belching out commands—and Jared just walks out, leaving the wife frustrated and embarrassed.
Jared believes that, the stereotype of black male potency notwithstanding, the fundamental dynamic in the interracial swing scene—that of black men dominating white women—is fueled by a combination of white guilt and female sympathy. But Hammer, who is an impresario of these fantasies, sees another potent element at play: the humiliation of the white husband. Up to four times a week, Hammer is asked to arrange cuckold scenes in which the husband is submissive to his wife, who is, in turn, dominated by a Mandingo. "He can't participate, he can only watch," he says. "And afterward, he has to clean her up." Then there are the public-humiliation fantasies, in which a white man asks a Mandingo to kiss and grope his partner in public while he watches. Even here at the party, there's an air of humiliation. Some of the husbands I speak with confess that they're no longer able to satisfy their wives. And while others say they get off on watching, they're never fully committed. "It kinda kills me sometimes," says one partygoer, Kevin (not his real name), listening to the submission fantasies of his girlfriend, Gail (not her real name). "Because I'm not dominant. I'm really an easygoing guy."
What all this means for race relations in the age of Obama is difficult to say. Though he's had a disappointing night, an optimistic Jared still likes to think that the more the races share fluids, "the more these taboos will disappear and we'll all realize we're not that different." But as the clock strikes three and only the stragglers remain, you see the races pulling apart. The Mandingos are hanging out by the pool table, talking reverentially about the white women they've had—"Dude, she took, like, 12 guys; her husband has to let her go, there's no way one man can satisfy her . . ." The only white people still there are out by the pool. Neither Amber nor Jeff will be seeing any of the black men they've invited to their home tonight until the next party, to be held in a month's time. Though Jeff has allowed Branford to be intimate with his wife, he won't be calling him for a beer after work. And if they should see each other at the mall, they'll usually look the other way—it's all part of the swingers' pact.
I find Jeff at the end of the night, busy cleaning up the kids' bedrooms—their grandparents will be returning them in a few hours, and the sheets need to be changed, the lightbulbs switched, the evidence removed. Shining a flashlight underneath the 11-year-old's bed, he tuts and tsks. "There, look, a condom wrapper! I missed one of these once, and the kids found it. You know, I leave a trash can in every room, but still, some people . . ."
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You really think this is NEW?? These kinds of partys have been going on for a longgg while now. Sissy lala "men" who cant fullfill thier women look for the blk "bull" as their "go to" guys to get the job done. Dont think this isnt for the husband/boyfriend as much as the woman in the situation . The men are just as gratified to see their woman gettin fucked by another man,, especially a blk man. And dont be fooled when the hubbys 'clean them up" afterwords thats sum sissylala shit there,, lickin up another mans cum,, sounds kinda gayish to me... been to many of these partys it is a constant mon-sun. anytime anywere.. it may just surprise u ....
tina5
Mar 21, 2007 7:09:52 PM
Passing this article off as anything other than hedonism and debauchery is an insult to journalism. The evidence and points given on behalf of this fucking "Jeff" guy and others like him make no justification other than a blanket excuse for their masturbatory pursuits. Them and this article epitomizes what is wrong with society today.
Fucking hell. And then to end this piece of shit with some rationale that a swingers' lifestyle is progressive for interracial mixing is even more offensive. Way to make give something meaningful to something so FUCKING DEPRAVED.
al45
Mar 22, 2007 3:24:38 AM
Fuck. I'm all for people doing whatever the fuck they want in their own private lives. You can ask anyone who knows me that I'm one of the most liberal people they know. But to PASS this off of as something with higher aspirations is just plain WRONG to me. Dirt is dirt. Nothing can ever change that.
al45
Mar 22, 2007 3:27:16 AM
This is just another example of ignorance disguised as journalism. How unfortunate that these people allowed you into their inner orbit only to have you treat them as buffoons. Clearly, your reporter does not agree with, is not educated about or understand the lifestyle or its purpose. The world is no longer believed to be flat. Sexuality does not have to be unidimensional to be acceptable. Next time, try using a journalist who can offer an impartial reporting rather than one with a moral agenda. Your readers might actually learn something more than how to stay inside their safe little boxes, staring down their pointy noses at the unknown.
Peace4ubaby
Mar 22, 2007 10:42:16 AM
I think what some previous commenters have said is foolish, and they're probably threatened by having this lifestyle brought into the light. These people in the story aren't made buffoons by the writer--they're being played by the Mandingos--and bless those bad boys for playing them. If these people are going to indulge in racial fetishization, and the Mandingos are turning the power dynamic on its head, that's GOOD. As the story being for journalistic or not, it's fascinating and the people willing participated so... So what if some people commenting are made uncomfortable by this exposé.
nyk718
Mar 22, 2007 11:51:59 AM
all i can say is hot. well it would be if the women were attractive, but i wonder how attractive intelligent black women feel, knowning that well educated, well to do black men are doing this. i wish the journalist and well the magazine had been more impartial. i can decide for myself if it's a disturbing trend. oh and there's nothing gay about men who share their wives with other men. it's like saying bi curious women are lesbian
gorgonkpw
Mar 23, 2007 7:36:45 AM
I have never in my life been more outraged than after reading this "article". I don't know who I am more mad at, these modern day "sex slave" traders, or these seemingly good, educated black men that apparently have such low self esteem as to having to resort to having sex with robust white women in front of their sorry ass husbands that can no longer please their wives. Being a single black woman and knowing these parties exist scares the hell out of me. The "Mandingos" in this article sound like men I would normally go for; educated and great looking. Its scary to know that they may particiapte in such vulgar activity after hours. Shame on you for exposing this dangerous and pathetic sect of human beings. I'm so glad I cancelled my subscription racist to your magazine!!!
Dawnyelle
Mar 23, 2007 3:59:42 PM
I have never in my life been more outraged than after reading this "article". I don't know who I am more mad at, these modern day "sex slave" traders, or these seemingly good, educated black men that apparently have such low self esteem as to having to resort to having sex with robust white women in front of their sorry ass husbands that can no longer please their wives. Being a single black woman and knowing these parties exist scares the hell out of me. The "Mandingos" in this article sound like men I would normally go for; educated and great looking. Its scary to know that they may particiapte in such vulgar activity after hours. Shame on you for exposing this dangerous and pathetic sect of human beings. I'm so glad I cancelled my subscription to your racist magazine!!!
Dawnyelle
Mar 23, 2007 4:01:18 PM
As an educated black man, who is open to interracial dating, I'm ashamed that fellow black men have lowered themselves to such levels.
take
Mar 24, 2007 5:52:16 PM
This article made me want to puke, for its content yes but also the whole delivery. I've been on the fence about DETAILS for a while but now I am confident that it is just a shitty mag trying so hard to be controversial that it is going to lose its subscription base by being so lame. But I'll play along... The article is described as "Americas new sexual fetish" I'm American, it's not my fetish. I read the article and looked at the photos. It looked like a few pathetic relationships couples that got tired of the usual gimp suit, ball gag, Fem/Dom sort of thing and graduated to something else. Nice try though.
Male
Mar 24, 2007 11:40:55 PM
I'd like to add that I believe in "to each his/her own" I think it's just wonderful that all these fine people found eachother. I'm just glad we're all ok with the fact that they turn their childrens rooms into fuck zones so we don't stain the micro-fiber couch, as long as we look under the bed for the condom wrappers... come on!
Male
Mar 24, 2007 11:46:03 PM
Sorry one more thing, can we all just get along...? This isn't a racial article nor is it a trend or culture issue. I have a problem with DETAILS saying that a new "American" fetish is called "Mandingo". It's just so lame I want to take my shoe off and throw it at someone...
Male
Mar 24, 2007 11:49:24 PM
I'm appalled on several levels. First, this man "Jeff" ,who has after a lifetime of unfortunate and scarring encounters with blacks ,"come a long way". It sound to me as if he has not come a single step into dealing with whatever festering issues he is harboring- And still is putting himself in a helpless and abused, pathetic victim's role- allowing his wife to have sex with someone right before him, under the guise of being a "turn-on". I mean seriously it is no different than children that are abused (sexually) and turn around later in life become promiscuous and explain, that they are "owning" their sexually. No, no, you are damaged,and acting out seek help. Secondly, These so called educated Mandingos or prostitutes (what's in a name), are clearly not educated well enough, had they been, they would have the where withal to realized that, they are being played! These parties have little to do with these wives' needing to be satisfied by well endowed men, for if that were the case, there would be men of a variety of races with sufficient endowments to satisfy these women. Yet, this is very much about the stereo-type that black men are wild dangerous animals, and should be kept away from white society especially women, for she could be raped and would be "no-good" anymore or as the article alludes to never again be able to be satisfied by her husband. Lastly, I do not condemn the author of the article, these people are Americans, we should all be aware of what depravity is occurring in our country and in our very own "upper-crust" golf/swim gated communities, and being disguised as sexual diversity or a "lifestyle" a lifestyle is not something that causes one to look the other way when confronted with it in a shopping mall- perversion does this. And we should also be aware of how the majority will define- America, American and its' values.
pause2
Mar 25, 2007 11:32:31 PM
I'm hard pressed to understand what this story has to do with race relations in the Obama era. Just seems like the same ol' cast of characters trying to scratch sullied truth from empty stereotypes in order to affix a gossamer thin rationale to their dysfunction. This story, in my opinion, has less to do with race as it does with living a purposeless, misguided life. But that's just me. Cautionary tale is written all over it.
It is ridiculous and impossible to extrapolate from these low percentage encounters the current state of black/white America. I'm more concerned about black America's propensity to save less, live shorter lives, have more children out of wedlock, or being more susceptible to and dying from curable or preventable ailments. The fact that some black men willingly get pimped to serve the so-called needs of rich, bored white women is of no consequence.
Let's call this what it is: Irresponsible, sexually depraved Negro men having sex with irresponsible, sexually depraved white folks caught up in sham marriages.
spidey
Mar 26, 2007 1:31:56 PM
In reading this article several thoughts ran through my mind.
I myself feeling sexuality is sometimes a fluid thing, I was not immidiately "horrified" by the article and the sex party.
I was however, horrified at how this white couple used their children's rooms as opposed to the sofa because of "squirters".
I was also saddened at some of the Mandingo's and their beliefs that these parties represented some kind of progression in race relations.
I have to agree with one of the previous posters who noted that this was anything but progressive race relations, but instead an activity that only served to perpetuate existing racial sterotypes. These sex fantasies are about the black man having great sexual prowess and being uninhitibited. It futher reinforces that black men will do anything for a white man or woman. It continues that idea that white men are not as sexually creative or open as black men. This is what the sex parties do.
However, concerning Details' article, it achieved exactly what they set out to do... to shock and awe. Read the opening statement above the start of the article... it is meant to inspire debate and reaction... so it has obviously done that has it not?
Granted the writer/author seems a bit too friendly or hopeful about the situation... but that's the writer's perspective. Yes, this article could have gone in a number of ways. It could have been about how these parties represent the decline of values or morals in society. It could have been about the type of mindset these people possess... what it means to be so sexually fluid. It could have been an expose on what time of social or cultural implications these types of parties highlight - not jsut that some people think it shows a progression in race relations. Yet, if thise article was Fair and Balanced as some of you are calling for, if this article was not so oblivious to all the other negative implications these parties represent, then the PURPOSE of this article would have not been achieved. As stated before, the very meaning of this piece is to be controversial. It never claimed to be otherwise. SO be upset with the content, or the writer's direction... but dont fault Details. Very few magazines dare to give writer's the freedom to do what they want and cover what they want. This grant of freedom means sometimes we get crap as a reader, but sometimes we get very interesting pieces as well.
Details is not a newspaper... it never claimed to be giving an unbiased point of view, pledging to cover all the worlds most important events. So take this piece for what it is, daring writing intended to provoke thought and reaction... and if taken at that, it was excellent.
Metrosexed
Mar 26, 2007 1:59:59 PM
This article is disturbing for a variety of reasons. Once again, black men have found themselves pigeon-holed into a position of servitude, whoring for these couples. These "educated black men" are nothing more to these couples than what Eldridge Cleaver called super-masculine menials. It's no secret that although many white people may not like blacks, they still find them sexually desirable. The haggard white women are the real winners; they get to fulfill their fantasy of sleeping with black men, minus the shame from their communities and get to keep their effeminate husbands around for the sake of appearances and comfort. I think "Jeff" is sick and in need of therapy so he can stop assuming the victim role with black men. By letting a more virile man dominate his wife he further emasculates himself. In a word pathetic.
Jane07
Mar 26, 2007 2:05:17 PM
If you want to hamper black progress, feed the idiot bro a white woman. Sad.
BespokeBro
Mar 26, 2007 2:59:55 PM
Sad but True: at the end of the day you are still a black man at the bottom of our society's totem pole!
honeybeesh
Mar 26, 2007 3:24:07 PM
Details never pretended to be a serious journalistic magazine, and there is 16 million Black Men living in the U.S. If these men want to be used as receptacles for white folks sick,racist, fantasies ala Norman Podhorhetz, then I say what consenting adults do in their own homes are there buisness.I don't see where this has to do with Sean Bell or Barack Obama. White Americans love degrading Black American men and now they are paying for the pleasure I call it the 'free market.
edaniels
Mar 26, 2007 4:03:59 PM
Who cares what people are doing in the privacy of their own home's.. If you don't like it.... don't look,, and you probably weren't invited to the party in the first place......
America needs to get over its puritanical sexual taboo fantasy and ethics...
Sex is,, what it is...and yes.. people do have sex.... oh yes that's right,, we do it,,, but we are not suppose to talk about it... let alone take pictures.....
Now you know why the sexual entertaiment industry... XXX PORN does so well.....
and more power to the couples in this article... If they can make it work... for them.... after all.. after 15 years in my relationship.. the "spice" could and would be a lot of fun........
and still keep my vows....
it is not cheating,,,if you have permission....
lighten up.. and take a walk,, on the Wild side....
Boomer1963
Mar 26, 2007 10:05:14 PM
A well written and objective look at a provocative pursuit. Nicely done Mr. Bhattacharya.
Perhaps the best way to understand it is as a fetish scene - think of the Mandingos as semi-pro female dominants and the couples as male submissives. Most of us look at the B&D/D&S scene and say, "I don't get it" even though we've recorded 2,000 years of human enslavement. We look at this scene and say "haven't we gotten past this yet" even though it's roots are only a generation away. Yeah, it can be a little uncomfortable to watch but it's certainly part of the fabric.
After all, it is just sex and we're all wired for it in some form.
It is ashamed to see this wrapped around the lifestyle couples scene. There are plenty of couples who play out this fetish without resorting to middle aged single guy cattle calls drilling binge eating heifers on the kitchen counter. Friends can role play with friends without charging admission.
And one wouldn't think affluent swingers stain the kids walls with mommy's effluent. They get a suite, an off-shore one ideally. But no need to be a snob. Just be sure to have a rag and a drool bucket for that FBI agent you invited.
Anyway, it was a good article. We'll look up 50 years from now, see the same scene, and completely forget why anyone is doing it. Keep up the good work.
HotinAtlanta
Mar 27, 2007 9:05:59 AM
These women are stupid. Now there are men of two races dominating her (a woman should never allow herself to be dominated by ANYBODY) and use her as a fuck toy. But the worst thing of all is the asshole Jeff lets people fuck on his kids' beds. if that's not sick; he should be beaten for that.
biggerisbetter
Mar 27, 2007 9:07:29 AM
The exchange of fluids as conduit for improved race relations? That's coded white supremacy. What remains unspoken is that this improvement rests on the premise of black man as commodity. Thus, the corrupted American racial imagination hasn't changed. What's changed is how that that imagination is expressed.
SonOfBaldwin
Mar 27, 2007 12:44:20 PM
Big deal. Different strokes for different folks. Some women have affairs with married men; some men go to prostitutes; some people are gay, etc. If you don't like it, don't do it.
Smokie
Mar 27, 2007 2:07:02 PM
This shit is hilarious! The black guys are laughing out by the pool after "pounding" white mens wives. That's for every racist cop that pulled them over, or loan officer than denied them a loan. Go Mandingos! Fuck the shit out of those dumb cracker women and their impotent "men".
therainmaker
Mar 27, 2007 3:54:29 PM
Love the article. I too have enjoyed the fruit with my husbands blessings. He even bought me a hotwife anklet to wear. Just google "hotwife jewelry".
I think of more of the husband let us go or even helped us, there would be more harmony in the home.
My two cents.
Salliann
salliann
Mar 27, 2007 10:34:30 PM
Well it seems that Sanjay(or Sanjeev) really fucked up in his attempt to be a "journalist". Maybe for his next story he can catch me masterbating in the privacy of my bathroom with a Sears catalog, while my wife is getting dinner ready downstairs. Then he can describe America's newest fetish - jerking off in the bathroom while the wife cooks and slaves away.
Of course swinging has been going for ever. That's not a new fetish. Neither is the involvement of black men. You've got to understand - that when the men are conservative whites, and the women are fat and old, there are no limits to what they'll do in order to get off. Me personally, a little wine and some Rick James is all I need to get super freaky with my homegirl.
2BSmooveB
Mar 28, 2007 5:00:30 AM
I actually thought this article was great - brilliantly written, not judgemental, and told the story while sparing feelings. I'm not sure it did poke fun, it just explained the scene. Excellent stuff - its the sort of article I buy the magazine for in the first place.
alexp
Mar 28, 2007 9:29:15 AM
I actually thought this article was great - brilliantly written, not judgemental, and told the story while sparing feelings. I'm not sure it did poke fun, it just explained the scene. Excellent stuff - its the sort of article I buy the magazine for in the first place.
alexp
Mar 28, 2007 9:29:17 AM
PROOF THAT SLAVERY STILL EXISTS. Blackmen of America be ashamed is this what your ancestors have fought for? To be objects for their wives pleasure so that you can go on holiday or further your contacts is this what they think you are good for ....if you can't use your head (pardon the pun)to get ahead maybe they are right.
sblackman
Mar 28, 2007 10:01:34 AM
Look, I'm not comfortable with swinging or the idea of the Mandingos myself. However, to blame the writer or the magazine for your personal feelings over the topic is ridiculous. It just shows that you are closed minded and immature. Get off your moral high-horse. The world is a big place with all types of people and, yes, all kinds of things going on that you may not approve of. Things that might just shock you out of your comfortable safe little world viewed from behind your rose colored glasses. Just because you can't handle something doesn't mean it's not happening.
Don't read the article.
I know you can't please everyone, but as an educated person who's curious of the world they live in and the folks who inhabit it (good, bad and ugly) I say, "Keep it up Details!" Not every reader is threatened by what makes them squeamish.
diva22
Mar 28, 2007 12:45:37 PM
Fascinating stuff. Excellently written article where the author provides a great insight on the subject and explains how all involved get their kicks. This is the kind of article that people want to read, even if you dont like what goes on.
Londoner3
Mar 29, 2007 4:04:13 AM
Agreed - why all this shouting at the journalist? I think he's done a great job. You don't like the topic, it upsets your sensibilities? Thats a different issue - don't take it out on Sanjiv. He did a great job in peeking through the keyhole on an interesting subculture. Calm down and read it for what it is - an excellent and fascinating article.
reggieb
Mar 29, 2007 10:27:41 AM
The article itself was not offensive what it did was expose some offensive people.
On what planet is it okay to send your kids off to grandma and grandpa's house and then allow strangers to have sex on their beds?
Should your sexual gratification come at any cost ESPECIALLY when there are children in the picture?
It is also sad, very very sad that at least one "Mandingo" who was quoted believes that this has to do with racial harmony. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining outside.
People who are posting things like "The author made the lifestyle look bad..." and "Different strokes for different folks" have missed the point entirely. This article hinted several times at state of marriage and race relations in America the sex was just put in to sell magazines.
JuicyJacks
Mar 29, 2007 1:22:35 PM
That's not all that new. I have a couple of friends who have done it before. They get picked in a certain red light hustler district in New Jersey and then they go off with the couple (usually the guy comes cruising around) and then they get it in for mere peanuts-say like $50.
jamaicanboi
Mar 29, 2007 2:28:44 PM
This is the best piece of fiction I have read in a very long time. This is some bullshit!!! Well not so much bullshit as a piece of erotic fiction. Everything is the worst case possible, 1) brothers aint giving away something they can sell 2) what rich white man that you know has a fat out of shape wife? The worst looking rich white man has a trophy wife. 3) the reporter lays this out in classic narrative style, Terry McMillian couldnt have done this better. In short, I dont believe this bullshit one bit, but I enjoyed reading it.
myapple
Mar 30, 2007 6:21:07 PM
there were to be more photo's.. where are they...????
Boomer1963
Mar 30, 2007 6:30:07 PM
this is great! guy nearly gets shot to death. Now, reborn so to speak, he watches his wife ge laid and remains a Republican. If only more Republicans could have that experience.
postroad
Mar 31, 2007 11:23:14 AM
This is another SICK article from this magazine! Gross!!!!! You, as well as the shameless pigs you wrote about here, are a bunch of LOSERS. I am hereby cancelling my subscription. I will NEVER visit this site again!
gdlywom
Apr 1, 2007 10:59:04 PM
I know about swingers and their parties but this is just plain sick! I have never been so disgusted to be a black female. As an educated professional black woman who is single by choice and who is supposedly supposed to be looking for these educated, good-looking black men as mates disgust me!!!! If I met one of these men, do you really think he would CONFESS to his secret life?? Knowing how BLACK men are, in general, not all, I'm sure condoms were RARELY used. This is how AIDS, Herpes and other STDs are spreading! I'm so glad that I am single by CHOICE because if this is what WE black women have to choose from in the date/mate pool, I'd rather die alone!! I'm glad the author of this article exposed this lifestyle.
Shockedanddismayed
Apr 2, 2007 8:29:35 AM
Let's keep things in perspective.
This whole "swinging" thing is a marginal lifestyle, a perversion shared by a negligibly small portion of our population.
What's the real danger is when a lay observer, such as the author, presents this whole depraved "scene" as something pervasive. This is the exact sort of encouragement morally loose folks need to feel emboldened enough to begin indulging their every dishonorable passion.
To all those people that subscribe to the "people have the right to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home" line of thinking, let me ask you this: If a vice is committed behind closed doors, does it all of sudden morph into acceptable phenomena? For example, if a child molester is good enough to close the door behind him before plying his "trade", is society really the better for it?
Like I said, let's keep things in perspective.
misteryman
Apr 2, 2007 11:56:09 PM
This is a great article. I host Monthly Interracial Swinger Events for more then 3 years now in CT. So for me to see so many more coming out of the CLOSET ! Well it's actually warming. This lifestyle has been in effect for many many years, so many afraid of being judged so people stay QUIET! There is nothing wrong or bad about the lifestyle, its for those truly strong minded adult whom are confident and know what they want and enjoy. Life is short, enjoy your free pass while it last. Live each day as it was your last, and there is NOTHNG more fulfilling then a Tall, Dark, Handsome Big Black Man ............. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm yes indeed " Mandingo " In my BED !
To all the IR Swingers out there I always say " Swing Hard, Swing Safe "
Jerseygirl ! Aka Jerseygirl4bm@yahoo.com
Jerseygirl4bm
Apr 3, 2007 8:33:01 AM
I was browsing and happened upon this garbage. Couldn't resist. It is fecal mat. like this that keeps people and their minds in a cesspool. I am the parent of two racially integrated adults and thanks to God they are wise enough to be proud of their heritage. As far as this crowd of pervs goes get a vibrator and watch the damn movie Mandigo. People were trying to rise above slavery for hundreds of years and now these rich white hos are fantasizing and allowing orgies in their own homes. They call it swinging....I call it going to hell in a hurry. And the part about squirters...does the term STD's mean nothing. Swing on or better yet tie the rope on your neck real tight!! This article made it apparent that humans are the most ignorant of animals. Help us all!
puhleezepuke
Apr 3, 2007 10:56:19 AM
i think i've seen those guys before in a cheap bad bootleg porno i had a while back . . . a black male friend gave it to me and said it was bad ass . . . he was right - the men were ugly - the women were ugly AND fat, it sure wasn't good ass . . . AND it was really boring to watch - no sexual imagination, (like - the same 6 positions you see in every porno) and none of it looked like it was actually enjoyable. these folks know how to bang but i doubt they know how to have sex - far less for Good sex -- but i guess if you're a black man with an insecurity to the white man issue this kind of thing would turn you on. Beatin' the hell out of some white woman with your penis while her Husband watches "powerless" -- LOL right -- I think it was titled- Black Guys and Honry white wives- or some other idiot name. Come on -- this is about as revolutionary as a blow job.
mlajizakuma
Apr 3, 2007 11:38:11 AM
Shockedanddismayed should be ashamed of herself. Being a black man and never having contracted an STD, I’m offended that she would generalize black men as being unsafe when it comes to sex. Your statement is far more offensive than any article written here. Wow. How many other women think most black men don't utilize or practice safe sex? Makes a person wonder. As for the article! So what. There are far m ore important things to get worked up over. Look at your congress. The Whitehouse! Needless death and destruction. Image of American citizens. Show your passion for what’s right where it matters. Passion for what happens inside other peoples houses and lives is just ridiculous. Consenting adults engaging in questionable behaviors is absolutely their business. The fact that an article was written doesn't make it any less their business. It does however provide a forum to discuss your views and opinions about the subject matter. But keep it in the context of the subject. If the "lifestyle" isn't for you then great. I'm not into the "lifestyle" personally but that's a choice I choose to make. As far a anything relating to race, I do appreciate some of the points of view with respect to the slave mentality. It does seem to be a step backwards when we sell ourselves "bodies" as a service to anybody, not just white people. These are still educated "black men" They just need more education. An education on pride and the struggles that people made on their behalf to free them from the opinion that black men are just for sell to the highest bidder. Which in this case wasn't very high at all.
Shockedanddismayed, don't let the actions of a few create such a lack of respect for the whole. Black men are still the hardest working, least respect and most feared man on the planet. It's bad enough that we have the rest of the races showing us no respect "in general" but to have black women saying things like you stated in your comment is truly disturbing.
vrector18
Apr 3, 2007 1:59:40 PM
Well all i can say is that this sort of behavior exist long ago, "roman empire" orgies and such... it's human nature... we're animals. But humanity has always been trying to ascend beyond it's animalistic nature... difficult... a long stretch. Nature is nature, we've been trying to be better since long time forgotten.
i'm totally biased with this behaviour, and try not to look at it with malice... if anyone want's to engage in to such an activity, well let them, as long as they enter in to such in their own accord.
jan16hk
Apr 4, 2007 12:46:40 AM
The article was entertaining enough to finish and comment on, so its purpose was effectively executed. In these cases, the writing never has to be relevant, or even good. Feed your expectations through the proper channels people. Do we take these people seriously: black dudes who fuck fat, ugly white women in front of their loser husbands for sport (then have the audacity to feel a sense of accomplishment); or fat, ugly women, who most people on the street wouldn't give a second look, quenching their feelings of despondency; or loser husbands who are, well, losers (or not, in the most animalistic way, even men)? I hope we don't. It'd be like taking the people on COPS seriously. This is lowest common denominator, so let it be what it is. Who are the only ones truly affected by the whole thing? The children, and the over opinionated readers. This has nothing to due with race relations in this country. On paper, the people, and the writer, suck – so, let them. Others sucking just makes the rest of us not suck so much. Get a grip.
ridebikes
Apr 4, 2007 4:20:40 PM
I am a Black male in this lifestyle for 13 years and would NOT want to meet up with people such as the host couple. I have long respected and admired Art and his group; just remember that he has been doing this a long time as well.
To suggest that this party, or ones like it, help the racial climate is not accurate. As you can see, Jeff's attitude towards blacks has not changed and will not change. This is just sex for the sake of sex. The "Mandingo" fantasy is one that has existed every since black men have been forced into this country. And it will continue. With deleterious consequences for race relationships.
I thought the article was fairly representative of what a lot of people think that have been in the lifestyle for a number of years. I certinly will be passing this article in my Yahoo groups and at the parties I host and attend.
getobysx
Apr 4, 2007 6:32:56 PM
why is it that everyone assumes black men are extremely well-endowed or have superior sexual skills. I've been with a lot of them and it isn't always true. And contrary to what people want to believe, not everyone is mesmerized by black men nor does everyone have a fantasy about being with one. The myth of the black man is the reason everyone supposedly wants to have sex with black men. And any man who wants to watch his wife get plowed by another man is insecure about losing her.
attwb
Apr 5, 2007 3:05:53 PM
This article is nothing more than glorified garbage and a waste of space. In perpetuating the stereo-type of well-hung black guys (which I have no problem about) they are insinuating us white guys are inadequate. The article stated that these glorified man-whores are “more than eight inches”. – fact of the matter: so are many of us. Just because I’m 10 inches doesn’t give me free reign to go around screwing married women with her husband watching! And as for sexual aptitude: there will be skilled and unskilled guys in both races. SO stop being pretentious, acting as though you have uncovered some provocative and true story- and find a real topic to “rediscover”.
A suggestion for your next article: Don’t objectify humans; it just makes you look like an even bigger schmuck.
MagsnumXL
Apr 5, 2007 8:58:07 PM
Why is everyone losing it? Swingers have been around for too long and magazines have talked about them, HBO has done documentarys on them and why is everyone in internet land tripping?
Because some well hung, intelligent black dudes are laying pipe on the sacred cow( no pun intended) the white soccer mom. What eats everyone up? That these women are finally getting it good? Or that its the everyday white woman that is finally getting her itch properly scratched. Or is it that on the internet you can be real and let your filters down and say what you really want.
I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU TIGHT ASSES BUT DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY COEDS ARE WORKING IN VEGAS EVERY WEEKEND AS CALL GIRLS AND ARE GETTING RUN THRU THEN COMING BACK TO WHOLESOME CAMPUS U LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED? TOO MANY.
So get your heads out of the sand, check your feeble prejudices and smell some dark roasted coffee. Because these people know what they are doing and what they want.
thatbrutha1
Apr 5, 2007 10:34:23 PM
@thatbrutha1, nikka this isn't about being open minded to someone's "fetish" this is about degrading yourself. As a well educated black man I can't believe guys that are trying get some where in the world would stoop so low as to do this. And because of what? NETWORKING! You a dumb man to do some crazy shit like that. Also respect comes into play here. RESPECT FOR YOUR SELF WORTH! I mean on on can you really have a great look out about yourself if you're doing something of this nature. This isn't a simple fetish this is some hedonism shit like posters said before. This is also hurting the black community. I mean HIV and STDs are running has as it is and now we add "well educated black men" along side the "DL black men" because they are bringing this all back to our community. And fuck the condoms cuz I bet they don't even use them and even if they are it's not completely safe as you can still come in contact with other STDs besides HIV. This is a disgrace and some real barbaric shit.....I'm at lost of words(even though yall might disagree,lol). But this is some stupid, dumb, careless, crazy, disgusting, and off the wall shit.
2Ideal
Apr 5, 2007 11:12:07 PM
a haiku:
mandingo party
does she want an eight inch c**k?
he won`t rob your house
charxchar
Apr 6, 2007 9:31:09 AM
"The name Mandingo comes from Mandinka, a West African tribe that, in the antebellum South, was prized and bred for strength and virility... Mandingo is now a byword for black male sexual prowess."
Ummm... has Sanjiv Bhattacharya never heard of the '70s blaxploitation classic "Mandingo"?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073349/
Details' cultural illiteracy continues to shock and dissappoint...
SweetSweetback
Apr 6, 2007 3:41:26 PM
Um, the writer's culturally illiterate because he defines the historical roots of the word and skips over the exploitation flick that expropriated that term? Right.
(And yes, SweetSweetback, I know your user name refers to the Melvin Van Peebles classic.)
nyk718
Apr 6, 2007 4:18:13 PM
Typical nias always talking about hurting the black community. I can hear your steppin fetch it voice right now "don't stick it to hard to massa's woman Miss ann, he may come after us." You triflin busta.IF these white boys want their women getting drilled (like they probably did back in college by one of the teams hoops or football) and of course they have lied about being with a black man since then, let them.I don't see bruthas lining up to get their black women or white women to take licks by some white dudes. If its swinging these people want to do then let them.What you people finally read an article on alternative lifestyles?
ITs like my boy who frequents vegas said " the pros are coeds named AMY that go to UC OR USC and come in on the weekend to get paid by geting dug out by visitors" Just be careful who you are feeding on come Monday after katlyn was just hanging out over the weekend not doing much.
thatbrutha1
Apr 7, 2007 4:23:50 AM
vrector18, you know, I know and the entire world know black men will give their left nut to sleep with white women even in the presence of of white men. Their yearning is primal and there's nothing they can do about it. Prepare to see your race extinguished because of your innate need for white women. When you look up and realize how outnumbered you are it'll be far too late. With comdoms rarely used at these functions prepare it goes to show how far you're stoop to sniff white arse. Talk about pathetic.
rross
Apr 8, 2007 12:02:11 AM
rross you are an idiot, so lets get this straight these good all american white men take their unfullfilled aids and hiv filled white women and pass aids onto these unsuspecting black guys? One must ask where these all-american white couples are getting this disease from probbably the lifestyle they lead. So are they trying to destroy a black community or the world?
Like I said before I don't see black couple lining up to have white dudes break them off. IT MUST BE A WHITE THING.
thatbrutha1
Apr 8, 2007 12:58:26 AM
Some sisters are disgusted and see why they will stay single! Some people are disgusted at other people's choices! I say do not participate if it's not your cup of tea. I know that one of the most exiciting sexual experiences i've had is with 2 or 3 consenting women.
Buddie
Apr 8, 2007 2:35:11 PM
We were surprised, yet delighted, to find this article here. We have experienced this and found that in addition to being an incredibly exciting scenario, it has also served as an intimate bond for the two of us. Thank you for presenting this article!
MichaelKaren
Apr 9, 2007 1:19:19 PM
It's disgusting that these parents turn their children's bedrooms into brothels. They ought to be hauled into family court and have their kids taken away and sent somewhere safe. They're completely, totally, utterly unfit to parent.
And pathetic as adults, too. The mandingos have a code self-hehavior such that they don't ejaculate? Puh-lease. If that makes them feel better about themselves, they ought to find a new hobby. Sickos.
Buck_Ramone
Apr 9, 2007 3:05:21 PM
I found the article both fascinating and exciting. The Mandingos should be applauded. It's hard not to envy the women they delight.
Wishing I could get in the act!
luv2netyme
Apr 10, 2007 8:23:32 AM
I can't believe I just registered to this site (forehead in hand).
The comment thread has been much more amusing and entertaining than the article. This is the United States of America where half the country believes that the world began around 2,000 years ago. Of course you're going to have this kind of response to this kind of article. Just look at the Imus controversy happening parallel to this conversation. Imus calls the mostly black Rutgers women b-ball team a bunch of 'nappy headed hos' and black America is on fire over it.
Alberto Gonzales fires 8 attorneys because they aren't working hard enough to help BushCo commit voter fraud and black people don't even seem to know or care to understand the issue.
That and a half dozen other major issues is what I find most unfortunate. And let's be honest. Most of us came across this article by way of some sensational online network of 'nooz' or by friends fascinated by the spectacle. Not all of us but most don't have much if any interest in or concerted connection to the serious issues of the day affecting black people. But when something like this happens everyone, especially professional black women, dons the evangelist robe and delivers a sermon.
What's more pathetic?
The white men getting off watching their women get beat up by 10" black dicks?
40something white women 40 lbs overweight having anal sex on the 8 year old daughter's nightstand?
Black males thinking themselves virile and irresistible because they are desired by the aforementioned two?
Or the men and women chasing sensational nooz material to evangelize over while 4 alarm barn burners of social import devour their communities with nary a hiccup of protest from these moral evangelists?
Don't answer all at once! It's a difficult one to call.
And as for the fetish itself, this shit (in this form) is extremely isolated. Don't play yourselves out with stupid comments about this being the source of HIV/AIDS, Herpes and other STDs. We're talking about .000000001% of the population that engages in this stuff. Basic math anyone?
AIDS is not nearly as prevalent as the marketing department at Trojan would hope you continue to think. We've had about a million people die in Iraq from the war we launched on them 4 years ago. We've had about half that number die from AIDS in 26 years, since 1981.
People could give two shits about the death in Baghdad but somehow think there is a high chance of them contracting HIV/AIDS and dying. You can retake a cheap $100 statistics course (for all of you educated religious types posting here) if you find these numbers difficult to believe and understand.
There are more pressing issues that demand your outrage. And if you don't have the wherewithal or inclination to be outraged about the things that actually matter, do you honestly think, in the big scheme of things, that historians of the future will be so needle-minded as to look at you dullards as more moral than these folks acting out racist fetishes?
Do we know about the debauchery of German swingers or the German population that watched their military machine grind down the bones of millions of Jews (Iraqis?)?
Stop wasting time with supernatural tales of Jesus and other magic tricks, get a real education and do something worthwhile with it besides collect stuff you superstitious, materialistic wastes of time.
Okay back to my cubicle.
theatlantaplumber
Apr 10, 2007 8:51:32 AM
I don't feel like typing this all over, so I'll just re-post th response I sent to a friend who emailed me, asking if I'd seen this:
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I DID see this. This article was complex, in many ways, because my earliest instinct is to say that because it's 2007 and this is still going on, these Black men are simply repeating the past -- allowing themselves to be demonized somehow, sexualized, dehumanized -- for the sake of pleasing some random ass White people.
When one guy, for instance, mentions that this is his way of playing golf, I found that especially unfortunate, because what are the boundaries standing in the way of him *actually* playing golf, as an equal, with White counterparts? Why did he have to subject himself, first, in order to receive opportunity?
The fact that I felt the White couples were clearly getting more out of this than the Black men only provided grounds for me to be really surprised/nearly shocked when I found out the "Mandingos" were actually paying more for the sex than the couples.
Yet, the article later turns into this reflection on how the Black men actually see this as their way of regaining power..not losing it...as they believe they are somehow humiilating (syn: avenging) the White husbands and, as we may imply, White power, in general, in the interim.
I don't entirely buy, that, though, and there is something profoundly sad and even depressing about what that must imply for these Black men.
That is to say, according to this article, these are attractive, well-to-do, educated Black men who...even after all of THAT.. still need to resort to this fantasy world in order to get anywhere near an authentic sense of having power over White men?
Like, as the article mentioned, these Black guys are not somehow invited to the board room or to the homes of these couples for a drink, afterwards. The only world in which they're allowed to be powerful is one that, by definition, is not real or connected to reality...and what does *that* really say about race relations, today, at all?
I needn't even mention the way women are a tool in the whole thing, somehow getting off on their own level of subjugation.
I really found the whole thing pretty interesting and telling for you and I, our generation, and the generations afterwards...insofar as I feel it gives cues for why we must remember to be more powerful, in authentic ways, than those who've come before.
-D
MissBizzy
Apr 10, 2007 5:52:32 PM
I'll never forget the time I was a passive observer at a party in Atlanta.
This guy had a dick longer than my forearm and he was bangin' this white guy's wife while he sat there watching. I was just trying to imagine what is really going through the husband's mind while this guy is drilling into this wife as if he's looking for new oil reserves? He can't be cool with this! I dont know. It just struck me as odd since I'm an uninitiated outsider.
jchris
Apr 11, 2007 12:46:08 AM
I can tell you from having attended these "events" as a guest, it is very very weird. That a man lets his wife have sex with other men (black men) while they watch tell me BOTH men have issues. Only the women are getting "benefits". Also, again from attending, the black men are NOT all overly HUGE nor "well-educated professionals." Some are, some aren't. The white folks are NOT all rich professionals. Mostly just "regular folk". Many of these swingers & black men are bonafide cheaters, as many of the black men DO have wives/girlfriends who are NOT aware of what they are doing, and many of the male partners of the "swingers" attend events without their wives or their wives knowledge. Also, yes, most of the women are 40's and up, and most are overweight, but to assume that because a woman is older is automatically overweight and unattractive and undesirable is incorret also. There are many attractive "older" women around.
In a nutshell, this is crap, and I am sorry for the spouses/girlfriends of these "men".
oceandiver15
Apr 11, 2007 10:56:42 AM
Dear Sanjiv Bhattacharya and Details Magazine,
Let me start off by saying that I simply adore your magazine. I find that the articles are inspiring, informative and clever. Albeit, when I read Meet the Mandingos I literally almost threw up. Being a subscription holder for almost two years, I have never read anything in Details that even resembled poor writing or subject matter until I read that article. You rarely represent African American men and when you do, this is the subject matter you choose to exploit. And then you had the audacity to mention Obama’s name in the article. Shame on you. It is obviously a sad day in the field in journalism. This article was not on par with the magazine’s usual exemplary work and did not have the ease and finesse of a skilled and dedicated writer. Sanjiv has lived in England and India and went to great schools. Is this the best he could come up with? Is the magazine running out of ideas? One more abysmal mistake from this magazine and I am definitely canceling my subscription. I should not have to tell men and women but T H I N K before you send an article to press. You hit way below the bar on this one.
EyeLash
Apr 11, 2007 4:58:01 PM
The article was a honest and true look into some of the Mandingo parties. What is amazing are the comments posted. Who cares if they think black men are bigger and better lovers. Who cares if use the childrens room for adult pleasure, no children are present. By the way if you think your parents didn't wisk you away so they could have fun you have to be living under a rock.
This is adult pleasure between consenting individuals. Stop worrying who is doing who and when it's being done. Worry about something you can control. I think if more people just enjoyed life with out constraints, the world just may be a better place.
If this not your life style or within your moral code. Fine take the article as what it was intented to be, informative and a look into the sexual life of some swingers, nothing more. Here's a thought which I hope catches on, "WORRY ABOUT YOU AND YOURS, AND LEAVE ME AND MINE THE ALONE".
LuvLife
Apr 11, 2007 6:54:25 PM
The "Mandingo" article seems designed for the most part to titillate readers who want to indulge fantasies in which black men function to satisfy their shameful sexual urges, rather than seeing black men as fully human equals. The author makes clear that much of what makes these orgies work for the white participants is these black men are not dangerous (they're college educated, etc.), unlike most other black men, seems to be the unquestioned assumption, and that the black men have specific physical features (must be over 8 inches, etc.) rather than anything having to do with their essential humanity.
Despite the magazine's portrayal of this as the latest thing, there's nothing new about this way of objectifying black people. It's sad that that Details Magazine exploits dehumanizing fantasies in order to sell magazines, even though doing so directly feeds into the pervasive devaluation of black people in our society.
I would hope that subscribers and advertisers would withdraw their support for Details Magazine.
heyjoel
Apr 11, 2007 10:27:53 PM
This article seems designed for the most part to titillate white readers who want to indulge fantasies in which black men function to satisfy their shameful sexual urges, rather than seeing black men as fully human equals. The author makes clear that much of what makes these orgies work for the white participants is that these black men are not dangerous (they're college educated, etc.), unlike most other black men, seems to be the unquestioned assumption, and that the black men have specific physical features (must be over 8 inches, etc.) rather than anything having to do with their essential humanity.
Despite the magazine's portrayal of this as the latest thing, there's nothing new about this way of objectifying black people.
The "casual racism" the author attributes to one of the subjects of his article actually perfectly describes the decision to publish this article in this form. The fact that the author didn't include any commentary about the racism inherent in these activities makes clear that Details Magazine's intention was to suggest that it might be perfectly acceptable for people to treat themselves and others in this way.
It's sad that that Details Magazine exploits dehumanizing fantasies in order to sell magazines, even though doing so directly feeds into the pervasive devaluation of black people in our society.
I would hope that subscribers and advertisers would withdraw their support for Details Magazine.
luvlife1
Apr 11, 2007 10:36:12 PM
Didn't Malcolm X in his autobiography describe witnessing such scenes as a hustler in NYC during the 50's? These Mandingos and their patrons are only perpetuating a stereotype that at its roots represents the most inbred and stubborn form of racism. Thabo Mbeki, the president of South Africa, once lashed out at Europeans for holding on to stereotypes of African men as lazy and not interested in anything that doesn't involve sex. Of course the Europeans responded with the standard horrified "What, us?!" denial. This article seems to suggest that Malcolm and Thabo knew what they were talking about.
Sello
Apr 12, 2007 3:38:43 PM
Once these women get stretched out enough they will surely move on to horses and black men will be put out to pasture in a hurry. I bet they'd marry the horse quicker than the black men they claim to love so much. Many of the husbands are closet homosexuals who work their magic on the black men to prepare them for "entry". That's love for you. The euphoria these black men experience must be over the top.
rross
Apr 13, 2007 8:01:57 AM
Buddie, I'm thrilled these mandingos are forever "slaves" to white meat. However, it bothers me that these couples never fully adopt them as their own so they keep polluting other communities where they are of no use. Do they ever ponder why these women won't marry them? This is the perfect way to get rid of the worst of the worst. Don't you think?
rross
Apr 13, 2007 8:08:51 AM
All black men couldn't pull this off. They are not ALL mandingo,
unfortunately. Plenty of small dick, small frame MF walking around unfortunately. But
to those that can pull it off. The 8 inch plus, 6 foot plus, gorgeous black men, Why not?
That's all most of them want anyway is sex and to fuck someone raw with NO strings and
to dump her ass back to the idiot paying him so make that money. Don't be stupid.
Prostitution should be legal anyway. This is THE most hypocritical country in the WORLD!!
This country is run by drug dealing (pharmacutical), thug pimps anyway and they are not black.
Nerd ass white guys or black guys for that matter, who can't please their women but have the
money to buy a man who can should do this. Thing is his wife will now NEVER be satisfied by
him. She will always want a black or bad guy that will fuck her brains OUT. He may think that
she would "never date a black man" but he is sourely mistaken! Oh she will enjoy his money
and the mandingo parties. But once he gets sick of shelling out the cash then she will be
doing it for free on the side until the divorce anyway. Once you go black you never go back?
Nah it's once you go BAD you never go back. A man with NO insecurities, strength, and who
will and CAN fuck you all night, whenever, whereever, and leave you wanting more. That is
what women want. And that my friends, is what is so hard to find. Too many men these days
in touch with their feminine sides. Makes me want to hurl. Get your sorry sensitive ass the fuck
away from me!! LOL
trinity0267
Apr 14, 2007 10:01:54 AM
Wow. This is about sex. Plain and simple. Not about black or white. Right or wrong. Something in these peoples lives made them swing long before they met the Mandingos. There is nothing wrong with sex. Not everyone wants to be married. Not everyone wants one partner. Not everyone lives by the moral code that someone else lays down. There are 50 year old women with 80+ partners in their lives and there are 50 year old women with 2 partners in their lives. Its just sex and free adults should be able to have sex with other adults whenever they want to without having to answer to the rest of the world. Are you happy, did you cause no harm to the other people involved. Is it behind closed doors and not available to kids? If you don't like it, don't participate, but don't hate the people that do. These people aren't trying to change the world and they aren't asking you to participate. Some people drive million dollar cars at 200+ miles and hour and sometimes crash them. Some people go to war to KILL their enemy's. That's what those people do and they have a reason. These people have sex with people that can satisfy them. Plain and simple. Don't over think it and don't hate.
carib
Apr 15, 2007 4:47:52 PM
In my following paragraphs I will discuss freedom of speech, racism and stereotyping, and sexual sanctity.
I completely believe in freedom of speech, whether sexual in nature or not. Yet, I feel I'd like to share my opinion of "The Mandingos" article and I'd like others to hear it.
Sexual promiscuity has been around since sex was invented. Although I don't feel the author of the article is glorifying the actions written about, in our society talking about ideas and actions desensitizes people to them. A good example is hiring a stripper at a bachelor party. People hear about it happening so often that it seems like everyone's doing it. And if everyone's doing it, it mustn't be all that bad. Simply talking about how well educated American's my parents age are doing things like this makes the idea seem less threatening. In that way the author doesn't necessarilly glorify the actions, rather he allows us to dwell on something we wouldn't have otherwise.
I feel that this sort of club breaks down racial advancements we have made; it focuses on the differences between those engaged, creating stereotypes that simply aren't true: Older men simply can't satisfy their wives. Men with smaller penises can't satisfy their wives. White women have a secret fetish for black men. Black men have larger penises then white men. White men are perverted. All of these stereotypes are brought up in the article, all cannot be proven, and all promote racism.
Sex is a very personal and emotional expression. In America our white puritan ancestors have left a remenant of self-doubt and guilt surrounding sexuality. Because of this, I believe we are trapped from fully expressing our sexuality with our mate. We don't completely understand what sex is meant for nor about.
I believe sex is meant to strengthen the family through intimacy and growth. Sexuality is a necessary and wonderful part of life that is meant to benefit both parties involved. It's benefits compound as the parties continue to explore with one-another. It helps both feel secure, loved, supported, and attractive. A child needs this sort of environment created by their guardians to thrive. The familial bonds are so great, through sexual intercorse, that it bares children. Thus sexual intimacy not only blesses the family it also causes it to grow.
If one of these parties decides to indulge in sexual lust with another individual, it creates the opposite effect. It raises doubt and separation. It breaks down the family.
middledoggy
Apr 16, 2007 10:13:51 PM
Maybe it's true and maybe it's just a load of rubbish. If it is true then those bros better be worried about some wacko husband showing up at the next party with a loaded johnson.
nevets
Apr 17, 2007 3:33:43 PM
So the cover of Details that features this article refers to a disturbing sexual trend, eh? Why don't these politically correct writers spell out for is just what exactly the disturbing trend is? I'm not sure what is more pathetic, those attending these parties, or the guilt ridden, liberal white plantation owners who published the article.
gwallace
Apr 18, 2007 1:07:12 AM
I thought I'd check back to see the latest comments on this article. I'm pretty astonished at most of them. Why is everyone up in arms at Details for publishing this? Its a magazine - I read it to find out new things, and I learnt about a pretty interesting sub-culture here. And why all the shouting at the journalist - I think Sanjiv did a great job; its non-judgemental, its well written, its interesting. I think a lot of you are just latching onto it as an excuse to say 'look how they portray black men in the media - its horrendous'. Newsflash - this goes on, its just reporting on something that actually happens. And I, as a black man, didn't judge the mandingos, I did however wonder about the white couples paying. And people, its just one example of some freaky things that people do behind closed doors. So just calm down, admit it was interesting - and a good read - and stop pointing fingers here there and everywhere screaming racism. Its totally missing the mark to do so. Well done Sanjiv. Well done Details. Look forward to reading more things that I've not heard about.
reggieb
Apr 24, 2007 3:07:15 PM
That was the craziest thing I've ever read.
klyde
Apr 25, 2007 3:02:41 PM
I don't understand why so many posters are so angry and uptight. I've been to lifestyle parties for years and this is a fair and accurate rendering of a typical evening. But here in Canada we don't have "Mandingos"; everyone goes to have their own fun. In fact, at some parties, I've seen black males delivering some very insensitive, inexpert and unkind sex to some women who afterward are regretful, humiliated, and don't come back for more. I think the one inaccuracy in the article is the implication that mandingo parties are an accelerating phenomenon. If you look at the entire population of the USA, and see this on a per capita basis, this is a very tiny trend. The number of ordinary swingers far outweighs the amount of this niche fetish, and both of them are dwarfed by the number of those who just plain cheat. Swinging is not cheating.
dongarb
Apr 25, 2007 11:19:24 PM
I am a black woman who swings every now and again. My mate is white and we often note the whole mandingo vibe that can take over a party with interest. Often its white men who push for their wives to be with black men, usually the black men are younger and the preferences I see here in Los Angeles is the more thuggish they are the hotter it is for the couple. It's a fantasy basically that imho gets out of control and moves to cuckolding. Black men at parties that I have chatted with know what's up with the fetish, they mostly laugh about it and give all the same reasons for doing it, they like to do something that society is not comfortable with. They have their fantasy of taking what the white man holds dear. The shame of it is swinging is not about love at all, its just sex, but often the women fall hard and they take it to what I consider a not cool place and thety want to be bred by a black man. Bringing children into it is horrific and selfish. That is the point where I think the state needs to step in.
Valentina3
Apr 27, 2007 2:17:06 AM
No matter what your opinion of this article is, there is no stopping this particular activity from happening nor slowing it down. We may as well accept the fact that it is real and it happens every day. For whatever reason, many white couples and many white women are becoming more and more open to having sexual and emotional relationships with black men and black men are wanting more and more white women for sex. At my daughters high school graduation, my daughter pointed out that of the 87 girls in her graduating class ( we live in a small southern town), about 20 of them were seriously dating black males and they (black males) got the most applause when their names were called out for awards and diplomas. Why? I dont know and dont care. It is just a fact that the young, healthy, talented black male is extremely popular with young white girls. It has been going on for years and will continue to happen even more in the future and not just in America - It's going strong in every western democratic country in the world. I'm not one to judge, people get horny and will do what they want. Isnt that what freedom is? To do what you want? I dont like organized religeons but I dont slam them or try to stop them. I let them be, it is their perogative to be a part of it even though I think it is useless, harmful and misguiding but that is their choice. There are far worse things that happen in the world than going to church or white couples that have gangbangs with black men. Why dont we get this upset about diseases we could probably cure if we would just spend the time, effort and money on instead of wasting it on countries that hate us? Now let us all go live our lives without trying to run others lives. We have enough really serious problems to deal with already. Yes, I believe the article in question is true, well written and in every way unimportant.
im103mike
May 19, 2007 1:27:06 PM
I think too many people are bitching about race issues when in fact they are really upset about the sex, period. Race is not a problem in this situation. My wife, at my request, became a hotwife. Though she initially did so for me, she quickly found that it turned her on as well. She has on occasion had sex with black men. However, she prefers to do so with white males. Since we are both white does this mean we are picking on horny white males who enjoy married women? I think not. It simply means my wife enjoys getting some strange on the side, I enjoy either watching her or having her give me the details when she returns home..... and some lucky guy is getting to screw my wife. Where is the problem?! Relax people. Stop trying to turn YOUR sexual hangups into something else. If you like it do it. If not, go elsewhere and stop judging other.
wifewatcher
May 21, 2007 12:54:44 PM
This racist Mandingo-stud-fantasy bull is as old as time. The only new thing is that some this "journalist" has written about it... a bunch of black men are trying to capitalize on the demand for black male partners among swingers. I understand free enterprise, but I cannot help but feel sad that our people are still allowing themselves to be used as black sex toys and DESPISED for being black at the same time. These men are whores. I can only hope they are smart enough to get more than $75 or even $100 for for using their "talents" in this way.
jjtoo
May 22, 2007 10:08:56 AM
I think the comments are rather funny. A lot of sexual hang ups being played off as something else. I've been going to these types of parties for over a year and (for me-i'm single) it's because after experiencing both, i find black men to be more romantic, more appreciative, more polite, and better in bed. Adults having fun, wow, what a concept :)
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dirtysweeet
Jun 17, 2007 1:32:04 AM
LMAO at Trinity's post.
Personally, I think the subconscious/conscious allure of black men by white women/men is this: to perhaps be seeded by them, to rid themselves of their melanistically null lives. Who wouldn't want to be colourful, and not die from the sun?
ashyr999
Jun 26, 2007 11:29:37 PM
First of all, referring to these black men as "Mandingo's" is dismissive...not to mention divisive. They have a different skin color, but they aren't any more animalistic, primitive, depraved, or sexually virile - than other races. This article is couched as an academic exploration of a particular fetishistic fantasy, but it plays more like a carnal look at wealthy white guys unleashing their black slaves for their personal amusement. If these hand-chosen black men have so much going for them, they should be making a positive impact on society rather than allowing themselves to be pimped out like animals.
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jbrlive
Jul 12, 2007 2:54:45 PM
i think the white husband is a idiot , he should sex his own ole fat ass wife. and black men do have over 8 inches . i know my man has 12 and aint no ole no good white women going to get that. i will beat her down and her husband.
12345678998765
Sep 18, 2007 6:44:16 PM
what husband is his right mind would pay for his wife to be fuched by a black man any man at that. but i knew those ole big belly wee wee dick white men had a lust for black men effing their women. if my black son ever did that weird ass junk id cut his 10 incher off.
12345678998765
Sep 18, 2007 6:47:13 PM
no wonder these white women are chasing black men down they want more of that black dick, and what husband stands and watches. white people are some ole weird perverts.
12345678998765
Sep 18, 2007 6:50:00 PM
As long as everybody comes out happy, I don't see the issue.
The racism thing is misinterpretation. "Man with giant penis needed" is pretty much the bar here - whether they're black or white.
It could be that black guys are just more inclined - positively or negatively - toward this sort of engagement. And, so long as the people involved are mature and responsible, things seem to work out.
Husband is satisfied by Wife's satisfaction. Wife is satisfied by the New Man, and Husband's generosity/eagerness to satisfy. New Man is satisfied by Wife, and perhaps, Husband's openness and eagerness to help wife. The end. Perfect loop?
erqwa
Nov 7, 2007 7:27:22 AM
We shouldn't be racist or prejudiced against these black men. They are making relationships stronger & fulfilling the wives (and the husbands) fantasies. More power to the Mandingo.
cuckoldme06
Nov 17, 2007 5:41:34 PM
The only thing shocking about this article is the amount of ignorant responses it has gotten. Swingers are not a "negligible percentage" of the population as one reader wrote. There are millions of people across the world that participate in this kind of activity and it works for them. Comparing them to child-molesters is completely out of line.
I understand that for some, this is morally wrong and depraved. That's fine... for people who ascribe to that set of values. But how can you condemn someone for what they do with their own body? As long as its consensual what business do we have judging anyone based on their sex life?
To those who feel the word "mandingo" itself is self-denigrating, need I mention the fact that many times throughout the last century minorities have reclaimed words and given them new meanings ie "black", the n-word (for some), queer, homo, d*ke, etc.
To say that these black men are being used without taking into account the fact that the women are being used is hypocritical. And in cases where humiliation of the husband (cuckoldry) is the name of the game it is quite obvious that the husbands are being "used" too. But isn't that what casual sex is all about? Both partners (or in this case, all partners) use one another to fulfill one another's fantasies.
I think my gay friend's put it best when they say "If you have a problem with gay marriage, DON'T GET ONE!"
In that same light, if swinging or mandingo parties are a problem for you, then maybe you shouldn't go to one...chances are you're not their type anyway.
doondawg
Jan 4, 2008 5:36:10 PM
i dont understand why so many commentors are so pissed. i found the article engaging and the swinger arrangement fairly harmless, except for the fact that the mandingoes are not making any serious money out of this. Incredibly, they are actually paying higher annual fees than everybody else. even if they enjoy the actual sex act, the several ramifications of such an overwhelmingly negative social role (being an unpaid black prostitute for rich white couples) deserves significant financial compensation. thats the real scandal here, that these educated black males are unable to empower themselves in such a potentialy lucrative situation. Until these mandingoes are rich enough to not have to idolize fucking 'rich white women' and enjoy these swingers parties as genuine social peers ... their torment of racial inequality continues.
Curtis
Jan 20, 2008 4:54:10 PM
That's hot as hell. My ex started pimping me to large black groups while we were both in the army.
whitegbmom
Feb 9, 2008 1:38:15 PM
I think this is so hot. I don't think we have the Mandingos or anything like in the UK. I think people read too much racial stuff into it. These are well endowed fit young men & the women, like my wife, have an appetite to enjoy pleasures that were taboos they grew up with. Now they can enjoy sexual pleasure beyond their dreams & their husbands like me can take pleasure from that.
Bewlay
Feb 29, 2008 7:17:12 PM
The article as a whole I am fine with. What I'm not fine with is the fact that they refused to have the women on the couches because some were "squirters" but these two parents were totally fine with sending complete strangers into their kids beds for rough messy sex. There is something really fucked up with that reasoning
illinois23
May 8, 2008 3:33:34 AM